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The Times’s Washington Bureau Chief, and Legions of Others, in Defense of Nate Silver
By MARGARET SULLIVANNate Silver, author of the FiveThirtyEight blog on NYTimes.com, may be under attack from some people, as I noted in a post on Thursday, but he also has many defenders.
Hundreds of them wrote to me in e-mails, in Twitter messages and in comments on the blog to say that they vehemently disagreed with my criticism of Mr. Silver’s offer of a wager to a talk show host on the outcome of the presidential election.
Some questioned my intelligence, sanity or sense of fun. Some said that by criticizing the wager offer, I encouraged the unfair critics of his overall methods.
Others questioned the logic of my specific complaint. I’ll address the latter here, then turn over the floor to David Leonhardt, The Times’s Washington bureau chief.
First off, I want to state clearly that I see nothing in Mr. Silver’s writing that suggests his work has partisan motivations. I also will repeat that those who choose to equate probability and a close political race are wildly missing the point. To use everyone’s favorite new word, they are innumerate.
But here is the problem: Mr. Silver’s offering a wager could be interpreted, by critics who already paint him as partisan, as evidence that he has a rooting interest in a particular outcome. Yes, even though the winnings would go to charity and even though he was betting to make a point about his model. There may not be a true conflict of interest, but there is an appearance of one. And appearance matters — it affects credibility, which is at the heart of good journalism. (There is a school of thought that rejects this idea and many people articulated that well on Friday.)
Put more broadly: Journalists shouldn’t bet on the outcome of news events they cover because betting raises the reasonable idea that they have a stake in how those news events turn out — or that they even might try to make the events take a particular course. That’s why business reporters are not allowed to trade stock on companies they cover.
The Wall Street Journal, for example, has a strict anti-betting policy.
One of the most thoughtful respondents to my post was Mr. Leonhardt. While not defending the wager offer, he pointed out that Mr. Silver has a public record of taking a nonpartisan approach to polling analysis. He wrote:
When liberals were claiming momentum in the final days of the recall campaign against Scott Walker in Wisconsin, Nate threw cold water on the argument and said Walker remained a heavy favorite. Walker won, of course. Nate’s model also suggested that the G.O.P. House takeover in 2010 and Scott Brown’s win in 2010 were likely to happen.
None of this means Obama will win. A 20 percent chance is a serious chance. The system would be flawed if 80 percent favorites won 100 percent of the time. To put it another way, a pair of dice isn’t broken if it rolls a seven.
The larger point is that Nate’s work has long earned the benefit of the doubt about its goal: to produce the best polling analysis possible, given the inherent noise in polls and the inherent uncertainty of life.
Later, after conferring with Mr. Silver, he also offered examples of cases in which underdogs in his model have gone on to win, noting that these also reflect no partisan pattern. (As Mr. Leonhardt notes, underdogs “should” win sometimes, “just as baseball batters sometime get hits.” ) The examples follow:
In 2008, Mr. Silver had John McCain, Republican, favored in Indiana, and Barack Obama won.
In 2009, he had gay marriage favored to pass in Maine, and it did not.
In 2010, he had Sharron Angle, Republican, favored in Nevada, and Harry Reid won.
In 2010, he had Ken Buck, Republican, favored in Colorado, and Michael Bennet won.
In 2010, he had the Tea Party Republican, Joe Miller, favored in the Alaska Senate race, and the moderate Republican, Lisa Murkowski, won.
In 2010, he had Bill Brady, Republican, favored in the Illinois governor’s race, and Pat Quinn won.
In 2010, he had Republicans projected to win 55 House seats, and they won 63.
There were three cases in which Mr. Silver had Mitt Romney favored in the primaries, but Rick Santorum won.
Mr. Leonhardt adds this praise to his commentary on Mr. Silver:
Nate has done a public service through his work. He didn’t cause people to start paying attention to polls. He instead helped people who were already paying attention to polls understand that individual polls can be so noisy as to be directionally misleading — and yet even flawed individual polls often have both noise and information. There is no pollster, no political scientist and no other writer who has a better recent public record of analyzing elections data than Nate. It’s not perfect, as he himself tries to convey with his emphasis on uncertainty and humility. But it’s serious, impressive and nonpartisan, and the same is not true of many of his critics’ claims.
It’s well said and I find much to agree with there. I haven’t changed my mind about the wisdom of publicly offering a wager to a television talk show host, but I’ll admit that it’s a quibble in the overall picture.
And, on a personal note, I want to acknowledge Mr. Silver’s generous response to me on Twitter on Friday morning. Clearly, this is someone who understands what it feels like to be under siege.
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Editorial | The Struggle to Cast a Vote
Upholding Democracy, Ballot by Ballot
Published: November 3, 2012 3 Comments
This year, voting is more than just the core responsibility of citizenship; it is an act of defiance against malicious political forces determined to reduce access to democracy. Millions of ballots on Tuesday — along with those already turned in — will be cast despite the best efforts of Republican officials around the country to prevent them from playing a role in the 2012 election.
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Even now, many Republicans are assembling teams to intimidate voters at polling places, to demand photo ID where none is required, and to cast doubt on voting machines or counting systems whose results do not go their way. The good news is that the assault on voting will not affect the election nearly as much as some had hoped. Courts have either rejected or postponed many of the worst laws. Predictions that up to five million people might be disenfranchised turned out to be unfounded.
But a great deal of damage has already been done, and the clearest example is that on Sunday in Florida, people will not be allowed to vote early. Four years ago, on the Sunday before Election Day, tens of thousands of Floridians cast their ballots, many of them black churchgoers who traveled directly from services to their polling places. Because most of them voted for Barack Obama, helping him win the state, Republicans eliminated early voting on that day. No legitimate reason was given; the action was entirely partisan in nature.
The author of that law, as The Palm Beach Post revealed last week, was Emmett Mitchell IV, the general counsel for the state Republican Party. Under his guidance, party officials in Florida got thousands of perfectly eligible black voters purged from the rolls in 2000, and got a law passed last year that limited registration drives and early voting days. A federal judge struck down the registration limits, but not before they drove down the numbers of new registrants.
The law cutting back nearly half the number of early-voting days in Florida remains in place, a reaction to the Obama campaign’s successful use of the system. Early voting is wildly popular, freeing people from having to cast a ballot within a few hours on a workday, and all but 15 states allow it in some form. (When will New York get the message?) But even after long lines formed last week at early-voting stations in Florida, Gov. Rick Scott refused to extend the period an extra day. In Ohio, a judge had to restore early-voting days that Republicans had tried to cut.
One of the biggest attempts to reduce the turnout of minority voters, poor people and others likely to vote Democratic has been the imposition of photo ID requirements, under the guise of preventing nonexistent voter fraud. In Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Texas and Wisconsin, courts have blocked these laws or postponed them until after the election, but the issue is by no means dead, and Republicans can be expected to continue to press their self-serving case.
In Iowa and Wisconsin, the Romney campaign has given its poll watchers misleading or incorrect information — for instance, that voters should show an ID in Iowa, where none is required — which could create disputes and long lines, most likely in Democratic precincts.
One of the saddest signs of the politicization of the voting process and the counting of ballots has been the armies of lawyers assembled by both parties in the swing states where the vote is likely to be the closest. Much of this would be unnecessary if not for the requirements that Republicans have tried to put in place, which force Democrats to make sure that provisional ballots are not thrown out or mishandled. (In Nevada, Republicans are already preparing their challenge by claiming, with absolutely no evidence, that some machines are malfunctioning in Mr. Obama’s favor.)
Public outcry, with support from the courts, may eventually remove these threats to democracy. For now, those who contribute to a heavy turnout on Tuesday will send a message that Americans reject any underhanded effort to place political gain above a franchise for which people have given their lives.
A version of this editorial appeared in print on November 4, 2012, on page SR12 of the New York edition with the headline: Upholding Democracy, Ballot By Ballot.
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Wasn’t the Hurricane Sandy a reminder enough for the Republicans not to take any kind of surge- whether natural storms, or the one of democracy- lightly, and seek its reversal through erecting the last minute artificial barriers?
- Nov. 4, 2012 at 12:07 a.m.
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What most faithful Republican voters don’t yet understand is that the tricks that are being played by GOP party leaders and apparatchiks, in the end, are being played on them, as much as they’re being played on the “Democrat enemy.”
While “taking our country back” is supposedly about restoring America to some invented past glory, it is really about stealing the democracy that our forefathers fought and died to earn for us, to turn it over to a powerful, rich few. America was not founded to become an oligarchy.
Restoring America means keeping our freedoms as they are or expanding them – not forcing one view or another on the other half. Restoring America means making sure everyone has a place, whether it’s in the voting booth or in our society. Restoring America means we all take care of each other in good and bad times. Restoring America, above all, means everyone shares – fairly – in the duty and bounty, and not at the expense of everyone else.
Our president and newly returned Democratic houses of Congress will have a lot of work ahead of them righting the inequities we face. First and foremost, will be the task of undoing Citizens United by taking the money completely out of politics and restoring free speech to the people, and people only.
Elect your democratic candidates into office across the board, for Democracy! Then, stay engaged! Demand they legislate money completely out of politics within the first six months. Corruption is our gravest danger.
- Nov. 3, 2012 at 9:39 p.m.
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Conservatives: watch carefully as conservative Republican state officials put roadblocks in voters paths, using extreme details to restrict a constitutional right. Are you so angry about the emergency room and the poor off the dole, expanding the right of health care to citizens and equalizing costs for men and women, that you overlook the last minute flogging of voters as doors close while they are in line?
Conservatives: your candidates subvert your principles! Do we need a bigger defense budget, more battle ships? Obama’s budget calls for building nine a year. Can we maintain quality, reliability, and innovation and do we have the skilled workers to build fourteen annually?
Conservatives: is the best way to make your case by lying? By pointing out facts that don’t add up to truth? By causing workers to worry about their job security, your candidate unleashed a backlash: his actions clear, he undermineed morale and market share to scare people into voting. The Chrysler VP who responded sounded like a union guy.
Restore the integrity of your positions by getting rid of leadership that exploits you for special interests. If Latin American trade were the answer to job growth, Mexican immigration would be reversed, flowing toward those Latin jobs! China has already allowed its currency to raise. The internationalization of trade helps large firms, Apple, Cisco, others, not small businesses!
Come home to America, We are all one people, out of many.
- Nov. 3, 2012 at 7:12 p.m.
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A Time for Choosing
A voting booth in Ohio.
By ROSS DOUTHAT
Published: November 3, 2012 18 Comments
OVER the 40 years preceding Barack Obama’s first term in office, under Republican and Democratic presidents alike, the federal government claimed, on average, about 18 percent of America’s gross domestic product in taxes every year and spent slightly under 21 percent.

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This equilibrium was always going to be threatened by the retirement of the baby boomers. But the financial crash and the Great Recession upset it sooner than anyone expected. As the economy cratered, so did tax revenue, dropping below 15 percent of G.D.P. in 2009. Government spending, meanwhile, climbed to 25 percent of G.D.P., as the president’s stimulus bill tried to help fill the gap left by the private sector’s collapse.
This gulf between taxes and spending has closed, somewhat, in the three years since, thanks to the limping recovery and some halting attempts at deficit reduction in Washington. But a new equilibrium will take many more years of growth and many more painful policy decisions to achieve.
The choice voters face on Tuesday will not determine exactly where this new equilibrium ends up. An Obama second term and a Romney first term would both feature a certain amount of can-kicking and a certain amount of compromise. A President Obama would probably accede to further spending cuts; a President Romney would likely accept the need for slightly higher tax revenue. Both men would continue to run large deficits as long as the recovery seemed weak.
But this year’s choice will make a long-term difference nonetheless. A vote for President Obama is a vote for a future where spending stabilizes well above its 40-year average, and where tax revenue gradually rises — thanks to the leverage afforded the president by the expiration of the Bush tax cuts — to pay for Social Security, Medicare, the president’ health care law and more.
A vote for Romney, on the other hand, is a vote for a future in which we at least try to make the fiscal adjustments necessary to keep taxing and spending at roughly the same rate as under Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton and George W. Bush.
As I’ve written before, there are good reasons that a nonideological voter might be undecided between these two futures. The conservative vision requires making structural changes to popular programs, and asking the middle class to accept further creative destruction in an age of insecurity. The last 50 years of Western European life, meanwhile, suggest that the higher-tax, higher-spending equilibrium favored by liberals can be comfortable rather than dystopian.
But there’s a strong rebuttal to the case for accepting a bigger-government new normal.
The European model of social democracy has its virtues, but it has always depended on the wealth created by American laissez-faire. As a recent economic paper entitled “Can’t We All Be More Like Scandinavians?” points out, it’s easier for smaller countries to afford a more “cuddly” form of capitalism if big countries like the United States are driving global economic growth. And the price of a permanently larger government — in growth lost, private-sector jobs left uncreated, breakthroughs forgone — is much higher for a country of our size and influence than it is for a Sweden or a France.
What’s more, we would be paying this increased price at a very different demographic and economic moment than when the European welfare states were built, or for that matter when our own entitlement system was established.
It’s one thing for a young, fast-growing nation — like the America of the 1960s — to embrace a permanently larger public sector. It’s quite another for a graying society with a stagnant economy and a sinking birthrate to do the same. There’s a risk of a vicious cycle, in which a shrinking working-age population bears the burden of growing old-age entitlements, which in turn discourages precisely the kind of risk-taking and family formation required to keep the system solvent.
Already our government redistributes too much from the young to the old, from working families to retirees, from productive entrepreneurs to protected clients. To accede to this government’s permanent expansion is to walk, with eyes wide open, into the kind of economic and demographic trap that has ensnared the weaker economies of Europe today.
President Obama did not single-handedly put us on this path. But he has kept us on it, accelerated our progress down it, and campaigned for re-election as though taking this course had no downsides whatsoever. He’s the candidate of the Medicare status quo in a country facing an entitlement crunch, of government bailouts in an economy with a crony capitalism problem, and of contraceptive mandates in a society with a birth dearth.
For an incumbent president facing a mistrusted opposition party, this may prove a formula for a narrow electoral victory. But for the country that might vote to re-elect him, it risks four more years of drift, stagnation and decline.
I invite you to follow me on Twitter at twitter.com/DouthatNYT.
A version of this op-ed appeared in print on November 4, 2012, on page SR13 of the New York edition with the headline: A Time for Choosing.
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- Prof.Jai Prakash Sharma,
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Rather, by ending the Bush-era tax cuts, and trimming the defense spending, not only the wiser than earlier second term Obama presidency could easily plug the budgetary gaps, but by undertaking the impending tax-code reforms, and a creative mobilisation of revenue, it could find enough resources for productive deployment in the economy. While, being soft to, rather beholden to special interests, neither Romney would dare ever taxing the super rich, nor lessen defense spending, which might culminate into another fiscal collapse and indebtedness. The voters have come to sense this, hence there’s no question of choosing between Obama and Romney, as the majority of them seem to have perhaps already decided which way to go, that is the only feasible way being shown by Obama.
- Nov. 4, 2012 at 12:47 a.m.
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“He’s the candidate of the Medicare status quo in a country facing an entitlement crunch, of government bailouts in an economy with a crony capitalism problem, and of contraceptive mandates in a society with a birth dearth.”
Ross, America’s population grows larger every year – through immigration. Every time I hear a conservative make this point about a birth dearth, I get this sense that what they’re really lamenting is a dearth of white babies. Given the fact that our population grows every year, I simply cannot interpret this statement any other way.
And Mitt Romney is the candidate of summer patriots who endlessly tell us how much they love America, yet shelter their income in the Cayman Islands and Switzerland. If only their mouths resided in the same country as their money.
And Romney is also the candidate who wants to leave his grandchildren an ecological nightmare, a nightmare that he could have helped ameliorate by forcing denial-based GOP audiences to accept stubborn facts, instead of mocking a more serious man attempting to do something about this looming crisis before it was too late. You know, for this wailing on the right about the mess we’re allegedly leaving our children and our grandchildren, we now know what a mess looks like – and it looks like New Orleans after Katrina, and the East coast after Sandy.
But you see, Ross, Romney is a dishonest, shallow, greedy man – not a serious one. America needs a serious man as president, not a con man.
- Nov. 4, 2012 at 12:34 a.m.
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Mr. Douthat asserts that a vote for Mr. Romney means a future “where we at least try to make the fiscal adjustments…”. But Mr. Romney has not told us, in any detail, what those fiscal adjustments will be and how they will improve the economy. He evades providing details because he fears that he will lose part of his base and because he knows that what he has been peddling will not work. If the best argument for Mr. Romney is that he might try to make fiscal adjustments, then the case for Mr. Romney has not been made. When a candidate offers little or no details or shifts the details (e.g. limiting deductions to $17,000, $25,000 or whatever Congress says), this is a candidate who is asking us to make a leap of faith in voting for him and trust him. But who do you trust, the liberal-leaning governor of Massachusetts, the ruthless financier at Bain Capital, the severe conservative of the primaries or the genial centrist of the last month? Mr. Romney has failed to make the case for his election and Mr. Douthat cannot make up for Mr. Romney’s failures.
- Nov. 4, 2012 at 12:05 a.m.
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- Donald Seekins
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One of the most effective ways we can reduce government spending and deficits is by junking our private sector-based health insurance system and establishing Medicare for all. A single-payer system would be far more efficient and effective than either the horrendous status quo or the reforms established by the President’s Affordable Care Act. To the question “why can’t we be like Sweden?” (or Canada, or Japan, or Britain), I say “we can” and the sooner we do it, the better off we will be.
- Nov. 3, 2012 at 11:57 p.m.
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RedIstribution? The great redistribution has been the shift in about 15% of our nation’s income to the 1% already at the top over the last 30 years. This shift dwarfs every item you discuss under the “redistribution” mantra, yet you totally fail to address it.
The plain fact is that as long as 1% of us make as much s 50% of us, vast numbers of us won’t have enough for basics, thus a larger government will be guaranteed, and some of the great redistribution of the last 30 years will have to be taxed away from the top for these purposes.
Want smaller government? Start with a fairer society.
- Nov. 3, 2012 at 11:16 p.m.
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- Bryan Barrett
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Following the Presidential election the order of business will be very much in the hands of Congress and whoever occupies The White House will have to learn to negotiate the future course of our country for the benefit of the nation by working closely with Congress. President Obama, while blaming Congress for his lack of success has proved time and again that he does not like that process.
Governor Romney has a proven record of getting the job done with a State Government which was 87% Democrat. They did have their rocky moments and not every one loved each other. But the gridlock which has characterized DC since the 2010 mid term election, was avoided because negotiations were respectful, ongoing and successful.
The question for the voters must be; do we want to continue with the abysmal record of the past four years, and no progress toward renewing the country, or depend on the failures of the Obama administration being magically transformed into a shining success story that has been missing until now. We simply cannot wait any longer, Ross, it is time to make the change.
Nate Silver sees the contest as a tie and points out that for it to break for President Obama all the possible good, and even perfect things, would have to happen in every state. He says that gives him sleepless nights.
The choice is simple and the time to change direction is on Tuesday November 6th. Forget the derision heaped upon Governor Romney, he is an able and decent man. And he is a leader.
- Nov. 3, 2012 at 10:47 p.m.
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You know that Romney forgot to tell you that he was the fourth Republican governor in a row in Massachusetts? And he was so successful that he didn’t run for reelection, and will lose that state by about 25 points.
The sole reason why no republican house members cooperated with Obama is that the republican caucus decided that it would refuse to cooperate with Obama. It did so on the day he was inaugurated, so even where he made proposals based on their prior ideas, like their health plan from 1993, they refused to deal. This, in the midst of the worst domestic economic crisis in 80 years.
One can only hope that America will not reward traitorous behavior.
- Nov. 3, 2012 at 11:26 p.m.
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Gov. Christie and Pres. Obama have shown us that where both sides have the will to put the good of the country ahead of the party, there will be bi-partisanship and good can be accomplished. The question for voters id whether or not we want to reward those who put party before country. While no one would mistake Pres. Obama for LBJ, who was a legendary arm-twister, it is hard to forget and hold innocent the partisans who walked away from the negotiating table more than once, who played brinksmanship with the nation’s credit-rating and whose idea of negotiating is “No Compromise”.
- Nov. 3, 2012 at 11:31 p.m.
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Big government as the new normal was decided in 1936. You lost.
If spending and income were kept at the levels you suggest, they would have to go up. Reagan tax rates were much higher.
The redistribution has been from poor to wealthy for many years, and we are now well settled into a New Gilded Age. You call to do more of that, to cut off the poorest even more, is the problem not the solution.
- Nov. 3, 2012 at 10:40 p.m.
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Ross, I highly recommend you spend time with your colleague, Timothy Egan. You need a philosopher in your life to change the very stale ideas that keep you running in circles.
You write: “a President Romney would likely accept the need for slightly higher tax revenue. Both men would continue to run large deficits as long as the recovery seemed weak.”
Romney is bankrolled by the oligarchs. He is a third-rate oligarch, just based on the money he has, when compared to, say, a Walton or a Koch. Do you think they put out as much cash as they did to allow him to sign off on slightly higher taxes? Grover Norquist most famously said “all we need is a president with enough digits to sign bills.” He meant it. The Kochs mean it. So do all the others hiding in the shadows behind them.
Given majorities in both houses, you can bet your bottom dollar that President Obama won’t make the same mistake the second time around. That’s not how he rolls. Oh, and in case you hadn’t noticed, he doesn’t forget and sure knows how to keep a grudge on low heat and settle a score when the time is just right.
Romney’s got nothing on Obama. Zip. Nada.
- Nov. 3, 2012 at 10:01 p.m.
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OK. It’s late and I’m tired, but isn’t this one of the most obtuse opinion pieces of the current political cycle?
My response is simply this; if we are stagnant, it is not because we’ve become some sort of faux Scandinavian social democracy, but because our own “captains of industry” have done everything in their power to scuttle any recovery.
- Nov. 3, 2012 at 9:03 p.m.
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- tom mcmahon
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Conservatives lie, do so without reservation, on a regular basis. We hear BIG Gov’t decried all the time, yet the ratio of gov’t worker to general population is realitively unchanged over the last fifty years. We are a country of over 310 million, fifty states, some wealthier than others. Yet as the conservatives see it, everything is gov’t fault.
Those southern tier states red in color,religious in backround,,lead in undereducated, poverty stricken populations. Are we to believe the conservatives know how to govern? For if this is their example of how they do it, They are complete failures. Progressive states lead in education, healthcare, lower poverty rates, proving larger effective gov’t is the answer or at least part of it. Liars, lies and those they tell, for truth, is a foreign to them as Blue Spruce Trees are to Tahiti.- Nov. 3, 2012 at 7:50 p.m.
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- Richard
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“It’s easier for smaller countries to afford a more “cuddly” form of capitalism if big countries like the United States are driving global economic growth.” What is even easier would be to cut the massive burden of our military expenditures. This would free up funds for a more humane form of capitalism. I fear Douthat was never cuddled, not even once.
- Nov. 3, 2012 at 7:43 p.m.
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- trk
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‘A vote for Romney, on the other hand, is a vote for a future in which we at least try to make the fiscal adjustments necessary to keep taxing and spending at roughly the same rate as under Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton and George W. Bush.’
And just what planet are you on Douthat? All that Romney wants to do is to reduce the tax rate for the wealthy and undoubtedly under the influence of lobbyists (his pals) increase the taxes on everyone else. That is the GOP and apparently your mantra.
- Nov. 3, 2012 at 7:39 p.m.
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“[C]ontraceptive mandates”? Who’s being forced to use contraceptives? There’s a difference between requiring available access to contraception through insurance coverage and mandating its use — let’s not try to fudge the difference. And if we’re worried about lower birth rates, we should pay attention to encouraging employers to hire full-time employees at wages at which they can support a family with children, it seems to me.
- Nov. 3, 2012 at 6:54 p.m.
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- Mary Scott
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When Bill Clinton left office tax revenue was about 21% of GDP and spending a little less – that’s how we ended up with a surplus. By the time George Bush got through with us, tax revenues plunged and deficits exploded. In fact, this was true even before the 2008 economic collapse.
It would be wise to go back to many of the Clinton tax policies if we want to reduce the deficit but any suggestion that we return to the Reagan or Bush economic policies seems foolhardy, at best – the former tripled the debt and the latter nearly doubled it.
Personally, I am voting for President Obama primarily because I am convinced that Romney/Ryan policies would eviscerate our social safety net and women’s reproductive rights but for undecided voters most concerned about our debt, the best choice is also President Obama, in my opinion.
History shows that Republicans seem to worry most about debt when they don’t control the presidency. Once they regain the office, they quickly revert back to their “deficits don’t matter” mentality so they can provide even greater tax cuts to our wealthiest citizens. Revenue decines and debt balloons.
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- Karen Garcia
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At the same time you envision ravening hordes of zombie grandmas eating their own young, you worry that not enough granny food is getting born due to some nefarious forced government contraception program.
Birth dearth? How about just coming back to Earth? The atmosphere in whatever conservative constellation you’re floating around in is toxic, that’s for sure. The Beltway chattering class all seem to have inhaled the same weird gas which makes them falsely claim that Social Security is driving the debt and the deficit.
Earth to Ross: Social Security is a retirement program funded by payroll contributions from workers and employers. It has not contributed one penny to the deficit. It should not be part of any Grand Bargain of deficit reduction.
Judging from all the gaseous moaning and groaning in Right Wing World, there must have been a massive overdose on Entitlement Crunchies this Halloween. But here’s the perfect antidote to your Nightmare on Geezer Street, Ross: Single payer universal health care! Medicare for All, and All for Medicare.
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“Government spending, meanwhile, climbed to 25 percent of G.D.P.”
Lets try to be clear. This is a claim for federal spending, not “Government spending”. In fact if includes federal “spending” that was actually income transfers to local and state government.
Moreover, the amount of money that flows through government has little to do with its actual impact. Its HOW the money was spent, not HOW MUCH, that is the critical issue. But that is way too complicated for a media story.
- Nov. 3, 2012 at 4:24 p.m.
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Still awaiting your apology to Mr. Silver!
Your power trip and efforts to quiet Mr. Silver and make it seem that he needs your precious NYT banner more than you need his legion of followers is a bad joke!
Hurry up and apologize — in print and on the web — or risk losing many, many younger readers!
“But here is the problem: Mr. Silver’s offering a wager could be interpreted, by critics who already paint him as partisan, as evidence that he has a rooting interest in a particular outcome.”
But here is the problem with this criticism: Of course Nate Silver has a rooting interest in his model! Silver’s professional reputation, his earning potential, his standing in the public arena, his opportunities for further statistical explorations, his book sales — all of this stands to suffer if his model for the presidential election turns out to be wildly off.
Silver absolutely has a stake in the outcome of the election, bet or no bet. Missing that essential fact and conflating his position with that of a regular Times reporter makes this criticism untenable.
We agree with Leonhardt as well as the managing editor saying ” he wouldn’t want it to become customary “, but we primarily agree with someone of numbers, analysis and models confronting a talking head and saying the whomever wins in a contest of logic over incalculable blow-hard, charity will be the winner.
No matter how critics might characterize Silver’s wager, he is not betting on a person, he is wagering on the methods, science and models; which makes it different than hanging on the rail at the track with a racing form.
It’s the difference between being a talking head and man of numbers.
“Appearance matters. It affects credibility”. Does appearance matter more than integrity, honesty, character, or any number of other actual human traits? Are we so superficial that we can’t make a judgement based on something deeper – like the truth?
When I hear the phrase, “Appearance matters” I shudder. Mafia bosses generously give to the communities in which they ply their trade. Pedophiles and serial killers cultivate impeccable appearances. Appearances are just that, are about the surface of things, and have nothing to do with credibility. Nate Silver has earned credibility by dint of actual work, not the appearance of actual work.
Ms. Sullivan,
You state that you feel “under siege” but the fact is, you brought it on yourself so it’s rather difficult to feel sorry for you.
Further, the fact that you continue to press the issue indicates that you clearly do not understand Nate’s purpose in running 538 and that you do not understand the point of the wager.
It’s disappointing that you seem to feel no interest in learning about either issue.
You’ve failed in this instance, Ms. Sullivan. It’s time to move on to something else. Otherwise, I would say that your critique could be interpreted, by critics who already paint you has old-fashioned, as evidence that you have a rooting interest in a particular outcome.
Are you defending the pundits in order to protect traditional media, coverage of elections Ms. Sullivan?
Either that or you’re jealous of the fact that the NYT needs Nate more than Nate needs it.
Your position as reiterated above is not persuasive to me. Fortunately, the New York Times has thoughtful editors such as David Leonhardt who seem to be familiar with Mr. Silver’s work. Perhaps your use of a blog instead of a Sunday column takes away from your ability to think things through completely. Everything that this column points out about Nate Silver could have been learned by you if you had done any work. This episode undermines your credibility as the Public Editor.
Everyone can have an opinion, even when they don’t have a clue.
That is why it commendable when someone offers a wager on the validity of their analysis, as Nate Silver has done.
I wished we had more of that. Perhaps we could have avoided some of the greater failures of public opinion making in the past decade.
“And, on a personal note, I want to acknowledge Mr. Silver’s generous response to me on Twitter on Friday morning. Clearly, this is someone who understands what it feels like to be under siege.”
The difference is that Mr. Silver was under siege from ideologues making ignorant, ad hominem, bullying attacks–and YOU. I think you’re saying that you are now under siege–from the many people writing to defend Mr. Silver, not on partisan but factual/scientific grounds? His response was generous indeed.
And one more thing: you repeat that “journalists shouldn’t bet on the outcome of news events they cover,” but as far as I can tell you’re not claiming Mr. Silver IS a Times journalist, just that some people might falsely believe he is one.
If it’s a “quibble in the overall picture” why even write the article? You made it a bigger story than it was. It seems the only one offended was you.
Your organization’s inability to back a man who is defending his work based on specious arguments make no sense.
What I love the most is that your organization is bringing on a CEO who allegedly knew of molestation at the BBC. I think that is a credibility issue. As another commenter noted, the editorial page endorses a candidate.
Most importantly, you value the perception of others more than actual journalistic standards. That is mind-boggling.
Finally, Silver has done more to call attention to public relief efforts for Hurricane Sandy by making the bet about charity than the NYTimes.com site has all week. Unlike the Star-Ledger, you still have no links to information about how to donate or help others on the front page.
I would focus on the bet if other more substantive issues were at hand, too.
“To use everyone’s favorite new word, they are innumerate.”
Hardly a new word. John Allen Paulos coined this term 21 years ago.
Maybe not a new word, but a new word for the people recently using it. And, yes, I had to look it up ……
“There is no pollster, no political scientist and no other writer who has a better recent public record of analyzing elections data than Nate.”
Based on what? One Presidential election? He certainly didn’t cover himself in glory in the 2010 House election:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives_elec…
My largest problem with Silver’s current model isn’t that it happens to favor a particular side, but rather that it is simplistic and rigid. His odds numbers in particular don’t reflect the now demonstrable systematic error, or errors, in the sets of state and national polls.
Certainly Obama might win this election, which will keep the heat off Silver over the defects in his model. But if Obama loses — which is not so unlikely either — Silver’s reputation is going to undergo a well-deserved correction.
“Mr. Silver’s offering a wager could be interpreted, by critics who already paint him as partisan, as evidence that he has a rooting interest in a particular outcome.”
By that standard, anything anyone says could be interpreted as partisan by the crowd we are dealing with here. We are not dealing with rational people here.
And really, this illustrates a much larger problem at the Times – what has been summed up as the “Opinions on the shape of the world differ” problem. Rather than pointing out that his critics have no ground to stand on, Ms. Sullivan give credence to their nonsense. Just like how the Times political “journalists” routinely just serve up opposing quotes without any attempt to fact check, and Mr. Sifton sniffs “its not my job to litigate issues of fact”.
I think the reason there was such overwhelming support for Silver is that he as staked out a position as someone who is willing to litigate issues of fact. Times editors: please take note.
Dear Ms. Sullivan,
Seems to me that this is more complicated than you admit. While Mr. Silver works and writes for the Times, I’m not sure he is properly considered a journalist. He is a statistician: what he writes about mostly is his statistical model; when you write about your own work, I’m not sure that’s reporting.
Furthermore, Mr. Silver has obviously had a stake in this election all along – the stake being that his model will successfully predict the outcome; that stake was obvious before the offered wager. That may amount to a bias, but not a journalistic one we need worry about. Furthermore, Mr. Silver frequently comments on the limits of the model and the uncertainly inherent in its predictions.
On the other hand, I can certainly understand you and the Times taking a very conservative and cautious approach to journalistic integrity. You may (or may not) have come down a little hard this time, but keep up the good work. Thanks.
“And appearance matters — it affects credibility”
The NYTimes has the audacity to openly endorse Obama for president, while chasistising Silver for perceived bias? An open editorial is the precisely the act of rooting for a particular outcome, and does far more to tarnish its credibility than Silver’s bet.
Do you understand the difference between news (journalism) and editorial opinion?
Thank you for your generous and thoughtful response. I appreciate your willingness to engage with your critics and communicate their positions — and to defend your own, but admit to its weaknesses and uncertainties.
This is a quality which you and Mr. Silver share, and it is both rare and extraordinarily valuable.
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Nate clearly does have a stake in the accuracy of his model, which is inextricably (and obviously) linked with the outcome of the Presidential election. To the extent that Nate’s model is accurate, he will continue to have a well-deserved reputation for predicting election outcomes. The bet he offered to Joe Scarborough doesn’t change that, and as such it shouldn’t be fodder for your well-meaning but poorly-aimed criticism.
“There is no pollster, no political scientist and no other writer who has a better recent public record of analyzing elections data than Nate.”
I’d nominate Sam Wang at Princeton as a contender: http://election.princeton.edu/
And he says the probability of the President’s reelection is over 95%
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